By Denis Dumo Scopas
Denis Dumo Scopas in a dialogue with the SPLM Party secretary for Information and Culture, Hon. Bol Makueng Yuol who stressed the stand of his Party SPLM.
Q1- Two members from the same party- SPLM- are for talks in Addis Ababa, disagreement over power. What does this agreement mean to you?
Makueng, You know, I don’t know what kind of the agreement would work out from there, and even sometime I don’t know the objectives of all these discussion and agreements. let me said this, its looks like this people-Rebels- and his groups are confused, and because they are confused, they wanted to confused the mediators either the mediators are confused or the mediator wanted to confused South Sudan.
Am saying this because you look the way these people- political prisoners- left to Kenya, they went with the guarantee that they are going to stay there because the population may get angering and killed them, but later they went to Addis Ababa for talks as different bloc. The -political prisoners- knew that Riek Machar is already confused and they decided to name themselves as different group called -SPLM former detainers-.
So what kind of this peace talks are we really talking about with these different groups of so called –SPM-A In opposition and SPLM former detainers? SPLM as a party doesn’t take arms, but we are convincing our people with programs, and when you took up arms and killed people then this is not longer SPLM party or taking of power.
Q2- Opposition Parties in South Sudan has accused your party SPLM of rejecting recommendations on South-South dialogue which calls for a transitional government after the referendum. They said SPLM should be blame for massed up in the country.
Is it true that your party rejected it?
Makueng, Well, I don’t know really on what basis the political Parties are suggesting a transitional period; because we went for election and we know in the constitution we had by then has indicated that the election is propose every five years.
Therefore, the current government that run the election is the same government elected by the people of South Sudan and it was empower for five years, and until after five years which is in 2015 election will be run again in the country and that was the constitutional mandated.
General Salva Kiir Mayardit was elected by the people of South Sudan by very big majority over 90 percent in a presidential election, and more over the legislative assembly and the state ones were also elected on the basis of five years period
So the political parties do not have the basis for suggesting transitional periods, there was no reason for that.
Q2- some people are saying your Boss-Kiir- and his deputy Riek Machar has to be blamed too for fueling the conflict using ethnic line?
Makueng, you see, one of the things people who are explaining such things in that way were thinking that wrong and right are the same thing, and its means they don’t know the difference between the right and wrong.
If they apportion the blamed on the two people -Riek and Kiir- then they are judging that they are either both right and both wrong which is not true, you can’t have two people right at the same time; one must be blame which is –Riek Machar.
First of all, Gen. Salva Kiir is occupying two positions as SPLM party chairman and as well as the President of South Sudan and doing so by the vase of constitution and the democratic practices in the country.
In SPLM constitution stated that if you wanted to become a president of this country you have to be elected by the convention, and our president Kiir was elected by the convention, but surprised that, Dr Riek nominated himself and he didn’t succeed at the end in 2008 convention.
And in fact Salva Kiir was elected by all people as the president of South Sudan, so what is wrong here. Instant Dr Riek Machar opted by chosen a very violent bloody part to change things. So people who are talking along that judgment are not fair in the sense.
Q3- I quoted the speech of the late Dr John Garang de Mabior, once said, “In terms of power sharing in South Sudan, I wanted to ensure all that there will be enough room for everybody including those who have not been associated with SPLM-A, even those who are for one reason or another were opposite or against the SPLM-A, There will be room for everybody”. And today people being sacked out, what does it mean?
Would the sacking of the senior SPLM comrades bring any solution to the problem?
Makueng, The speech of late Dr John Garang was relevant and it is still relevant up to now, and it is an old session speech. Its mean that when the SPLM let government took over even before the election; SPLM went at its way by bring all the militias groups and where accommodated in the government within the frame work of the politics of South Sudan.
At the south Sudan level government became expended from national to states, so we have legislative assemblies, executive bodies in the states and by that it’s mean we have some many ministers, MPS representing many different groups both at the national and the states levels by having a say in the government through their representatives.
Again those individuals who ever won the election were appointed to be ministers at the national and states levels. Some who hatred SPLM-A and who ever dream that South Sudan will be an independent state were appointed.
So the room is so wide which has accommodate the expected and unexpected people.
Q4- Will the SPLM party accepts their former comrades back if their difference within the party is resolve?
Makueng, They have shot themselves out from the party using violence and creating distractive policies to the nation building which as aspiration to the people of South Sudan. So the recent violence create by Dr Riek machar been seen as Dinka and Nuer thing which has been misinterpretation by the international community
First of all, these people are showing something which are not in the culture of South Sudanese and it is not also in the culture of democracies worldwide, and each situation has a role model and these people has showed as role models of violent in our society who wanted to see that if you don’t listen to them, they must killed, there must be bloodshed and people must fight.
So if SPLM party as political party cordon violence lead may people lost lives, then what political party will it look like, it would be a bad image for SPLM to be seen like a party that has to killed its members and dismantle the country.
The SPLM Code of conduct does not promote form of violence and there is no way that this group will be part and partial of SPLM party again.
Q 5- Two brothers are fighting in the house and a neighbor comes and fights along one side. What does it mean really for you as a brother in the house?
Makueng, What happen is this, when two brother are quarreling and then a neighbor comes in, the neighbor does not jump and fight at once, the neighbor has to understand what has gone wrong and once he sees that there is a part unreasonable then he can go to the reasonable part to subdue unreasonable part, and that what’s a neighbor does, and this is a reasonable neighbor.
Q7 – the International community-USA- has called for the withdrawing of the Ugandan forces, aiming at avail the consequence which may affect the region. But the presidential spokesperson of Ugandan government dismissed the call as an opinion express for sake of big power politics.
As an SPLM party member do you agree with this?
Makueng, I don’t know who are those international community members; because USA is a single country out of many countries and there are many countries which are reasonable and who think that south Sudan is a sovereign state like any other country, and it can decide which friend can be called upon to come and help in time of the need.
Ethiopian, Kenyan and Ugandan force are in Somalia because there is a democratic government there and also the same thing where French forces are fighting in Mali and also Central Africa, then why south Sudan is an exception.
That call for withdrawing of Ugandan forces from South Sudan is unreasonable and is not acceptable.
Q8- South Sudan Political Parties is preparing to nominate one candidate to contest against SPLM ruling party, given the fact that the spit in party will weaken the SPLM party.
Do you think SPLM party will win the next election if to be held in 2015?
Makueng, Yes SPLM party will win the election because we have demonstrated that we can sacrifice ourselves for south Sudan to its people. And also it is the democratic rights of every party who wanted to contest, and SPLM as Democratic Party would promote anybody who wanted to contest.
Denis Dumo, my honour once again to meet you.
Bol Makueng Yuol, you’re welcome.